3.06.08 - 19:55 NATO apologizes to Macedonia

After the verbal attack by an Athens officer at the "Steadfast Junction" NATO training in France, where he requested Macedonian officers to remove their patches (name and flag) NATO's Secretary General this morning sent a letter of apology to Macedonia's Officers insulted in the incident, the Defense Minister, as well as the Central Command Center.

This is after Macedonia's Defense Minister sent a letter of protest to NATO's General Secretary.
Meanwhile, NATO will have an internal investigation on the incident.
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1.06.08 - 11:15 After greek escape


US: Policy on Macedonia recognition is long standing

There is no change in the longstanding U.S. policy to recognize the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name, State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey told the press conference on Thursday.

A reporter asked Casey why the U.S. decided to put a nameplate Macedonia in front of Macedonian delegation to a US-hosted nonproliferation conference in Washington.

The use of Macedonian name triggered stern reactions by Greek and Cypriot delegations, which left the conference in protest.

"First of all, longstanding United States policy as enunciated by Secretary – then Secretary of State Powell - is to recognize the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name. So I don’t think it’s any surprise to anyone, including our friends in Greece and Cyprus, that that is the name under which the U.S. Government recognizes Macedonia and that that is the way that they are generally referred to in all U.S. Government-led meetings and activities," Casey said.

"We very much respect and understand that there is a significant disagreement between Greece and Macedonia over the name issue, and we have been strong advocates before, during and after the NATO summit in terms of trying to support Ambassador Nimetz and his efforts to reach a mutually agreeable conclusion to this issue. And that continues to be where we are," Casey said.

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31.05.08 - 14:35 Greek nonsense



Piteous Greece to sue Indiana Jones over Macedonia

Indiana Jones may end up in Court. Legendary archeologist Indiana Jones (Harrison Ford) uses Macedonia's constitutional name in his latest movie when speaking of treasures of the Ancient World.

One can only imagine the reaction of poor Greeks. Dora Bakoyannis, the Greek Foreign Minister fired off a protest letter to legendary director Steven Spielberg for that particular scene in the movie. According to Bakoyannis, Spielberg needed to explain for what Macedonia he is speaking of, upper or lower! Dora had been persistent in her letter, asking to either remove the scene or fix it! If all this doesn't turn fruitful, Greek PM Costas Karamanlis will sue Spielberg for 'misuse' of the name Macedonia.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had so far earned over $150 million.

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read the comments:

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/1621/1/

30.05.08 - 19:55 Greek irredentism ......

Map with heading:
GREEK PARLIAMENT (with logo)
HISTORICAL MAP OF GREECE


Click here to zoom the picture

Legend with heading:
THE UNIFICATION OF GREECE

In recent years more and more often we hear the statements of various Greek authorities, parliamentarians, government representatives, ministries, Prime Ministers, journalists and others, about the so-called ‘expansionist propaganda of “Skopje”’ against our country.

Typically, all the above mentioned who utilise such argumentation on the “expansionism of Skopje” have not attempted to enquire or consider the behaviour of our state on the issue of “expansionism”.

The Greek Parliament in 2000 printed a map under the heading “Historical Map of Greece” where part of Turkish territory is presented as being part of the “unitary Greek world”. Specifically, the territory of Asia Minor around Izmir, eastern Thrace, the islands of Imvros and Tenedos are presented as Greek territories.

The title of the map is “Historical Map of Greece” and the legend is headed “The Unification of Greece”. In purple are marked the territories which “united” with the Greek state in 1920 and below, the Treaty of Sevres is mentioned, which partly satisfied the needs of the Greek “Great Idea” (Megali Idea). The very mention of “unification” serves to highlight the “unity” and “indivisibility” of Greek lands, which include the marked purple territories. Of course the nationalists and crypto-nationalists in our country can justify themselves by claiming that the map is not expansionist, but rather represents the real situation on the ground following the Treaty of Sevres in 1920. Well, a similar argumentation can be used by every Macedonian nationalist claiming the same for the Treaty of Bucharest of 1913 in which the well-known map with the division of the Macedonian lands between three states is not expansionist propaganda but rather represents the realistic situation at the actual time. So in actual fact, what is the difference between the title “Historical Map of Greece” (1920) from the title “Historical Map of Macedonia” (1913). Or what is the difference between a title that reads “The Division of Macedonia” and one that states “The Unification of Greece”?


ALL TEXT : http://www.florina.org/archive/2007/2007_greek_irredentism.html


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16.05.08 - 19:30 THE NEW BULLY OF THE BALKANS

THE NEW BULLY OF THE BALKANS, Noel Malcolm, 1992

You begin to notice it in the moment you arrive on Greek soil. If you land at Athens airport, you can find crude posters declaring “Macedonia is Greek” in the customs hall. If you are crossing by land from the former Yugoslavia, you will find the passport control booth covered with stickers making the same point, some of them in English more hysterical than ammatical: “Macedonia is Greece Since Ever”.

……Glancing at the print-out on a computerised bus-ticket, I found, in the space where you might expect “Have a nice trip”, the statement, “Macedonia was and shall be Greek”. Never outside the communist block have I had such a sense of an all-pervading and unanimous campaign, in which all levels of public life are mobilised to whip up popular feeling. If one adds the world-wide campaign run under the cover of the Greek Tourist Board, it must be the most expensive publicity campaign in Greek history.

It is also the silliest……

Throughout the last two centuries, “Macedonia” has been a geographical expression; it refers to a whole region, which in 1913 was divided between Greece, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia… The part which Yugoslavia obtained was named “the Republic of Macedonia” in 1946; the people who lived there had already been widely referred to as “Macedo-Slavs”, and their language as “Macedonian” for decades. When the people of that Yugoslav republic voted for independence last year, it was not surprising that they wanted their new state to be called “Macedonia”-they had no other name. But at this point the Greek government claimed a kind of copyright on the word……..

A high-level commission of jurists from the EEC …. recommended immediate recognition [of Macedonia]. But the Greece still block it; and …… It would take the pen of a Swift or an Orwell to explore all the ramifications of this. More than [two] million people who have spent their lives thinking that they spoke Macedonian, that they read Macedonian literature and watched Macedonian television, are now to be told, at the whim of 12 people lunching in Lisbon, that they speak some nameless thing…..

II

(Pictured A statue of Goddess with a machine-gun)

We are dealing here with the strangest and yet in some ways most typical of all Balkan states - a state with a profound neurosis about its own sense of identity. I refer, of course, to Greece. Much has been written about the problems of ex-Yugoslav Macedonia, and the potentially catastrophic consequences of the EEC’s destabilising policy towards it. But little is ever written about the root cause of the problem:the neurotic nature of Greek nationalism….

Their unbroken descent from Plato, Aristotle and Demosthenes sets them apart; theirs is a higher civilisation, a higher destiny. They have nothing to do with the messy history of the Balkans north of their ancient and immemorial border established in 1913 and 1919. This approach to history requires skimming rather selectively over the thousands of years when there was no such thing as a national Greek state. The early Slav invasions, which reached far into Peloponnese and left settlements which spoke Slav well into the 15th century, are preferably ignored. So, too, are the influxes of Albanians which settled many parts of eastern and central Greece ….

In the early 19th century, the population of Athens was24% Albanian, 32% Turkish and only 44% Greek. In the early20th century, Salonica was 60% Spanish-Jewish, 18% Turkish and18% Greek. Things have changed since then…. But just changing the people was not enough. In the mid-1920s, nearly all the Slav, Vlach or other non-Greek place-names were suppressed. Even personal names were not exempt…Boris had they offered him was between “Pericles” and “Byron”.been instructed by the local officials that he must change it to a proper Greek name; the choice

The consequence (or rather, the basis) of this policies is that Greece is that rare thing, almost unknown in Europe, a country with no national minorities. They do not exist; the Greek government says so. For such a phenomenon to be found in the Balkans of all places is indeed a miracle- a sign that Greece is certainly not like other countries. Sitting at a cafe in a Slav village near Florina, in northern Greece, surrounded by people talking in the Slav Macedonian language, I pondered this minor miracle. “They say we don’t exist,” said one of them; “but tell me, do I look like a ghost?”

III

…Within Greece, there are no newspapers or radio broadcasts in their [Slavo-macedonian] language. One group of these Slavs has started a small monthly newsletter, with an estimated readership of 10,000. But they have great difficulty finding a printer, and they say that if copies are sent through the post they tend to “disappear”. “Even if we find a sympathetic printer”, one told me, “he’s usually too scared to take the work; he’s afraid of losing all his other contracts,or perhaps of getting bricks through his window.”

Another group, has applied for permission to start a cultural society; the application has been turned down, on the grounds that it is “anti-Greek”. They are not even allowed to sing songs in their language; the last time this happened, at the village festival of Malitis two years ago, proceedings were broken up by the police.

A few bold individuals have taken their case to human rights conferences at Helsinki, Copenhagen and Moscow. I talked to three of these people, each of whom had encountered certain career problems on his return to Greece. Hristos Sideropoulos, a forestry worker - sacked … His friend Stavros Anastasiadis owns a small trucking company - now stands idle… Archimandrit Nikodemos Tsarkinias, showed me a peremptory letter from his bishop telling him that he must leave his parish work….

The public hysteria over the “Skopje Republic”[Macedonia] certainly does not help. The weekly nationalist-extremist newspaper Stohos (”Aim”) now issues regular personal threats against these individuals or their friends, listing names and addresses; its more general articles on this subject carry titles such as “Cut off Their Heads”.

…When I attempt to discuss these issues with Prof. Konstantopoulos, director of the Institute of International Public Law in Salonica, I was assured that the so-called Slavs were just bilingual Greeks….”Why cannot they have a newspaper in their own language?” I asked. “They don’t want one!” shouted the professor…..His anger was cataclysmic….A few minutes later, he assured me that “secret figures” revealed that 18% of the population of Yugoslav Macedonia are Greek- a piece of ethnographic nonsense so gross that even Stohos (”Aim”) might blush to print it.

IV

The Greek Slav Macedonians are caught between the hammer and the anvil of Greek policy on minorities: assimilation or expulsion. To see successful assimilation in action, one has only to visit the Vlach region in the Pindus mountains of northern Greece. The Vlachs who speak a language closely related to Rumanian, have a population of perhaps no more than50,000 in Greece…. Most modern Greek writings about the Vlachs claim that they are “pure Greeks”, descended from ancient Greeks who just happened to acquire a Latin language when they did military service for the Romans… and one recently published Greek book about the Vlachs gives a list of words in the Vlach language borrowed from Greek, and concludes in all seriousness that Vlach is “a Greek dialect”…..

The 100,000 Turks of western Thrace, on the other hand, have a much stronger sense of ethnic identity. Yet in the eyes of the Greek state they are not Turks at all; they are “Greek Muslims”, a religious minority, not an ethnic one. When DrSadik Ahmet, a surgeon who stood for parliament in 1989, referred in a campaign leaflet to “the Turkish minority”, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison for using the word”Turkish”…… (The Turkish population is mainly agricultural;though they have tractors, they have not been granted licences
in the past.

…this summer’s Amnesty report on torture and ill-treatment in Greeks prisons and police stations happen to concern Turks, Albanians and other non-Greek victims…. The new Greek electoral law will prevent Dr Ahmet from being re-elected next time, and when he loses parliamentary immunity he may face another deferred prosecution. And the long-standing policy of driving these Turks out of Greece continues….More than 3,000 acres have been confiscated for various public projects in the last ten years, and there is now a plan to seize 15,000 acres of farm-land which at present support20,000 Turks ……

Fear of Turkey is, in the long run, a greater stimulus to neurotic Greek nationalism than the Macedonian issue.The fall of the communist bloc has badly damaged Greek self-esteem; …today it is Turkey that is emerging as the strategic power-base of the whole region… Hence, .. a Greek government television advertisement every night, “means equal status for Greece in Europe!” - is a statement either meaningless or mendacious……

Personally, I have found that whenever I have long conversation with EEC politicians or officials, there always comes a point when they say, “Between you and me, I can’t understand how we ever let Greece in.” With its peculiar brand of paranoid nationalism, Greece’s foreign policy is now the biggest single impediment to any sensible EEC policy in the Balkans; and if the Greek public mood intensifies any further, it may threaten not only the future of the ex-Yugoslav Macedonia but the territorial integrity of Albania as well. Amid all the discussions about the procedure for new members to join the EEC, has anyone thought of a polite way of inviting one member to leave?

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15.05.08 - 19:25 ..... They are shooting us

They are shooting between theм, but they are shooting us


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1 and 3 cadre : fair election”

( DPA and DUI - are political parties of Albanian minority in Macedonia)

2 cadre > dog: “.. how for NATO and EU, they are working only against

Macedonia.”

- “Where are now their sponsors who proclaimed them for democrats ?”

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12.05.08. - 19:25 NATO roulette


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28.04.08 - 21: 20 The truth always come to light

MACEDONIA the clip that shocked Greece



13.04.08 - 15: 55 GOODNEIGHBOURHOOD MISSION


Greece: Look ahead,in future … there is NATO and EU … leave (your) history to us

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12.04.08 - 14:00 МАК-корени (MKD -roots)


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2.04.08 - 22:15 THE DIE IS CAT


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27.03.08 - 17:00 SIMPLY: MACEDONIA


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18.03.08 - 20:10 WHY USA TOLERATE GREECE ??












Karamanlis - primeminister

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2007
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights,
and Labor
- March 11, 2008

GREECE

"Macedonian minority doesn’ egzist in Greece"


(extract )

National/Racial/Ethnic Minorities……..

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A number of citizens identified themselves as Turks, Pomaks (Slavic speaking Muslims), Vlachs, Roma, Arvanites (Orthodox Christians who speak a dialect of Albanian), or Macedonians. While some members of these groups sought to be identified as "minorities," or "linguistic minorities," others did not consider that these identifications made them members of a "minority." The government considers that the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne provides the exclusive definition of minorities in the country and defines the rights they have as a group. In accordance with this view, the government recognizes only a "Muslim minority." It does not officially confer status on any indigenous ethnic groups nor does it recognize "ethnic minority" or "linguistic minority" as legal terms. However, the government affirmed an individual right of self-identification.

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The government did not recognize the Slavic dialect spoken by persons in the northwestern area of the country as "Macedonian," or as a language distinct from Bulgarian. Most speakers of the dialect referred to themselves as "natives." A small number of Slavic speakers insisted on using the term "Macedonian," a designation that generated strong opposition from the ethnic Greek population. These Slavic speakers claimed that the government pursued a policy designed to discourage use of their language. Government officials and the courts denied requests by Slavic groups to identify themselves using the term "Macedonian," because approximately 2.2 million ethnic (and linguistically) Greek citizens already use the term to identify themselves.

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Many individuals who defined themselves as members of a "minority" found it difficult to express their identity freely and maintain their culture.

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( Practicly this is repetition from report 2006 - expect the part:)

In October 2005 the ECHR ordered the government to pay $42,294 (35,245 euros) to the Rainbow Party( political party of macedonian minority in Greece) for violations of two ECHR articles: the right to a fair hearing and the right to freedom of assembly and association; the government paid the fine during the year.

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Such greek behaviour is basically of his request for change ( not only) the name of Republic od Macedonia but identity of macedinian people,culture, language and especially - mostly, extermination of Macedonian minority in Greece


Why USA and EU tolerate and support such unhuman greek behaviour of nonrecognition and еdisrespect human and minority rights especially for Macedonian minority?

15.03.08 - 19:40 ГРЦИЈА - НОВО ИМЕ ......

NEW NAME FOR GREESE :

GREEK REPUBLIC LIE & DENY


Greek republic Lie & Deny
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13.03.08 - 16:30 М К Д ПАРКИРАЊЕ ВО Н А Т О

M K D - parking in N A T O



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3.03.08 - 16:20 СОСЕДСКО МЕНИ: Менување име....мљац....мљац



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21.02.08 - 20:00 ФАКТИТЕ ЗБОРАТ

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БАКОЈАНИ: http://www.florina.org


“Наша позиција е да најдеме јасно и трајно решение. Грција е подготвена да прифати сложено име, кое ќе ја разликува оваа земја од поголемиот географски регион кој се вика Македонија “


( како одговор извадок од писмото на “Виножито“ иод 5.11.07 до Нимиц):

2.3 Што велат фактите? Имено, во Грција не постои единствена адинистративна провинција што се вика „Македонија“. Од 13 админстративно периферии во Грција, 3 единици го носат името Македонија. Тоа се „Периферија Западна Македонија“, „Периферија Централна Македонија“ (со Солун/Тесалоники во истата) и „Периферија Источна Македонија“ во северна Грција. Иако повеќе од една периферија го носи името „Македонија“ нема никаква конфузија помеѓу овие периферии. Тоа е поради фактот што секој еден од овие три периферии има префикс („Периферија Западна“, „Периферија Централна“, „Периферија Источна“) пред зборот „Македонија“ и така се разликуват една од друга. По оваа логика, исто така не може да има конфузија помеѓу една или повеќе од овие периферии во Грција и независната и суверената држава што се вика Репубика Македонија, име што го има префиксот „Република“ пред зборот „Македонија“

2.5 Мора да потенцираме дека во последните 15-20 години се воведени имињата во грчкиот јавен сектор кои што го содржат терминот „Македонија“. Најтипични примери се: „Министерство за Северна Грција“ кое со одлука на грчката Влада во 1988 година беше преименувано во „Министерство за Македонија и Тракија“, во периодот кога беше евидентно дека ќе се растури Југославија со можност за создавање на независна македонска држава. Друг таков пример е „Индустриската школа во Солун“ која беше преименувана во „Универзитет Македонија“ во 1990 година. Истото се случи и со аеродромот „Тесалоники-Микра“ кој беше преименуван во „Аеродром Тесалоники-Македонија“ во 1992 година, кога Република Македонија веќе имаше прогласено независност

БАКОЈАНИ во Вашингтон: НЕ ПОСТОИ МАКЕДОНСКО МАЛЦИНСТВО ВО ГРЦИЈА !!!!

(како одговор следи извадок од писмото од „Виножито“ до Нимиц од 5.11.07 )

1.3======Суштината на внатрешниот проблем за ова прашање за Грција е одбивањето да се признае и да се почитува одделен и посебен македонски етнички-национален идентитет како различен од грчкиот бидејќи со тоа ќе колабрира грчкиот мит за национална хомогенизација форсиран со децении во државата.

Како што напоменавме и во минатото писмо, македонското прашање претставува проблем за Грција пред се поради фактот што на нејзина територија постои македонско малцинство. Овде се крие тајната на грчката аргументација околу наводниот иредентизам на Скопје.

БАКОЈАНИ : “.....
. Оставете ја историјата за да дојдеме до решение и да бидеме заедно во НАТО и во ЕУ....“ (??)

Е, само да го каже ова пред огледало, па да и поверуваме.
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18.02.08 - 23:10 МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ - АБОРИЏАНИ ?

По едновековното онеправдување на домородниот народ Абориџаните во Австралија, и по еднодецениско задржување- чување на предлогот за јавно извинување до Абориџаните за тие неправди кон нив, австралискиот парламент собрал трошка доблест и “пуштил душа“ да се извини до Абориџаните за “длабока болка,навреда и понижување“ ,што им се нанесени од политиката на минатите влади.

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Дали со тоа се завршени неправдите кон етничките заедници во Австралија?

Тешко.

Дали Македонците во Австралија се новите Абориџани ?

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Лабуристичката партија која е предводник за ова извинување до Абориџаните на своја сметка има и друга неправда , кон Македонците во Австралија - не само што ги прекрстуваат во славмакедонци туку се одбива и признавање на уставното име на Македонија ,(пра)татковината на Македонците во Австралија и тоа само под влијание на грчкото лоби кое плаќа дебело ( не само )на партиска сметка и со гласови на изборите.

Барањата на Македонвите во Австралија за нивното право на именување како МАКЕДОНЦИ и за признавање на уставното име на Република Македонија наидуваат на глуви уши на австралискте централни власти.

Дали и овие барања на Македонците ќе мора да “одлежат“ во фиоките на политичката -партиска бирократија како и за Абориџаните , додека не им “текне“ да им се извинат на Македонците?

Зошто австралиските власти не извлечат поука од нивниот однос кон Абориџаните, па да ја “сторат“ правдата и кон Македонците во Австралија кои се нејзини лојални граѓани- државјани и им следат тие права што ги бараат?

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15.02.08 - 23:30 - ДО КОНДОЛИЗА РАЈС

( ова е преземено од http://admiror.blog.com.mk )


До Кондолиза Рајс

( dostaveno po e-mail - 13.02.08 )

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Dear Madame Secretary,


With my respect, I am free to suggest you to look and read a LETTER (5.11.07) from RAINBOW - Political party of the ethnic Macedonians in Greece ( http://www.florina.org ) to Matthew Nimetz

United Nations Special Envoy on the Name Dispute between Greece and Republic of Macedonia.

This letter is also addressed to Minister of Foreign Affairs of Greece - Mrs. Dora Bakogiannis (your gest these days).

Between other thinks you can ask Mrs. Dora Bakogiannis what is her or her government answer to this letter from masedonian political party.

Mrs Raise , you can closed the eys but the facts will not disappear

So, it is fact that Grese doesn’t accept and respect

humans and minoritis rights in Grese especially rights of

ethnic Macedonians

Then, why such privileged treatment for Greese with tolerance and support for her behaviour against humans and minoritis rights especially rights of

ethnic Macedonians ?

Please,read the letter and answer the questions from letter to yourself .

Sincerely,


Stanko Georgievski ( Skopje , Makedonija )


13.02.08

P.S.

Please, read Human Rights Watch Report on Greece http://www.umdiaspora.org/images/Identity.pdf

********** the U.S. Department of State's Human Rights Report on Greece. http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78815.htm

************* MHRMI 2008 Annual Report on Greece.

http://mhrmi.org/news/2008/january27b_e.asp

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8.02.08 - 22:55 FREE SMILEY IN ASTION


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