19.09.08 - 00:25 Punishment for speaking the truth

Panayote Dimitras facing High Treason charges for speaking about Macedonians

Greece has an investigation against me, the charges are “high treason”, because I had spoken about the Macedonians in Greece, says Panayote Dimitras in an interview for BBC Macedonian.
Mr. Dimitras is a member of the Greek Helsinki Monitor.
“I already met the prosecutor and gave my statement. If I end up in Court, the only possible sentence is jail for life.” says Dimitras, a long time campaigner for minority rights in Greece.
This interview was done shortly after the visit of UN Independent minority expert Gay McDougall in Northern Greece. Mr. Dimitras accompanied McDougall on her visit.
Himself and other members of the Greek Helsinki Monitor informed McDougall on all questions regarding her mandate; on the Macedonian, Turkish, religious minorities, including the Roma population, problems with racism and anti-Semitism.

- The message to the UN expert was this: the conditions in Greece are dire, none of the minority groups are represented at any level. In fact, if and when any of these minorities have a complaint, they are frequently attacked by the Media and Government. It’s not just the minorities. Organizations, such as ours that fights for equal rights and promotes rights are being attacked.
If I can use one sentence - Democracy in Greece, came in 1974, it is yet to come for the minorities, says Mr. Dimitras.

Can you describe McDougall’s reaction after she heard the responses from Greek Helsinki Monitor?

- We are not allowed to speak of her reactions. The only thing I can say is, something that she said at a Press Conference in Athens, is that the recommendations and suggestions of the UN Committee, and the Greek Helsinki Monitor would be part of her report. And in those reports is easy to see that Greece negates the existence of Macedonian and Turkish people, as well as the catastrophic situation of our Roma population. I do not doubt for a second that McDougall’s report would be much different than our official position i.e. there are people in Greece who identify themselves differently from the Greeks.


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17.09.08 - 23:25 MACEDONIA,MACEDONIA

Chile recognizes Macedonia under constitutional name

- Several days before the UN meeting in New York, Chile recognized Skopje under the name Macedonia, which prompted strong reaction from Athens.

In Santiago an official representative of the Greek Foreign Ministry is explaining to Chilean Authorities the very constructive role Greece plays in the negotiations.

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NEW NAME FOR GREESE :

GREEK REPUBLIC LIE & DENY

Greek republic Lie & Deny

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16.09.08 - 13: 20 Politicki dijalog

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15.09.08 - 20:00 Why does EU tolerate Greece?

PM Gruevski: For how long will the EU tolerate Greece?

PM Nikola Gruevski said in an interview with Italian national TV station RAI that Macedonia has met all standards for the country's NATO accession, and about 75 percent of the eight European Union benchmarks, whereas their completion is expected by the beginning of October.

Pertaining to the name row, Gruevski stated that Greece makes an unprincipled blockage by asking that Macedonia changes its name, but also to determine its new name.

"Greece had already imposed such blockage in June, during the EU Presidency of Slovenia's, which assured the support of all Union member-states on the start of accession talks by the year-end, while Greece asked that the content of the report is not submitted to the European Council.

This means that Greece already blocked Macedonia once, so it will probably do this again, abusing its position in the European Union, devaluing the possibility and necessity for consensus among member-states when passing decisions", underlined PM Gruevski in the interview with RAI, adding it is a matter of time when would the EU stop tolerating this behavior by Greece.

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Greece shaken up over UN and newly announced ECHR Visit

The UN Minorities Expert Gay McDougall is in Greece. According to the Macedonians in Greece, the Government in Athens will try in every way to show the visit as non important, although, they say, Greek Media has been following the story with great interest.

Namely, for the past two days, the UN representative is in Thrace speaking to the Turkish minority which is been referred by Athens as the “Muslim speaking" population - According to the Greek Government, “Muslim” is a language.

The Turks are a majority in Thrace and have decades old complaints of not being allowed to identify themselves as ethnic Turks.
The Greek Government does accept a ’muslim’ minority, without specifying their ethnicity.
The Turks and Pomaks are seeking autonomy for their region. McDougall also visited the Roma population.

Today, McDougall is meeting with Macedonians in Voden. She is also scheduled to meet Macedonians in Solun, Kostur, Lerin, Kukus and the villages gravitating around those cities.
The UN representative visiting the area insisting to be accompanied by representatives of the Macedonians in Greece even though this request drew a strong response from the Greek Government.

Instead, Mina finds, the Greek Government had planned for McDougall to avoid the regions where Macedonians lived, and instead take her to the municipality of Kutlesh, to show the Vlach minority.

According to Greek daily Eleftheros Typos, in its article “Minority Games”, Greece is one of the three countries that McDougall will visit this year. The other two where minority abuse is recorded are Ethiopia and Hungary.

Typos says official Athens is not commenting much on the visit, though Diplomats have confirmed this visit is a problem for Greece. The Daily further explains there's been great interest by the Americans to show the “Turkish Identity” of the Muslims in Thrace. Parallel to this, the axis Ankara - Skopje which developed after the Bucharest Summit grows stronger with the aim to create minority problems for Greece, concludes the Greek daily. Yesterday afternoon, the Greek Government received a note from the European Commission of Human Rights which announced their visit at the beginning of next month.
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14.09.08 - 20:00 The truth come out:: Macedonians in Greece

Ban Ki Mun interested for the Macedonians in Greece

"In Macedonia (Aegean Macedonia) there is a small group of people who speak an idiom which is different than the Greek language, however, they feel like Greeks and have all rights as the rest of the Greek citizens".

This is the answer Greek negotiator Adamantios Vassilakis gave the UN Secretary General Ban Ki Mun, explaining Athens position on the Macedonian minority in Greece.

The meeting occurred at the request of the Head of the UN, and it comes after receiving the letter from Macedonian PM Nikola Gruevski.

Ki-Mun, who four years ago at a Simon Trpcevski concert at the UN, called Macedonia under the acronym, explained to Mr. Vassilakis that according to his mandate and obligations, when it comes to basic human rights, the UN will analyze this particular case in detail.

Greek Diplomats are not revealing details of the conversation, though they confirm there were talks on the name dispute, as well as the procedures that would take place if both sides were to agree on an eventual solution.

UN’s Head interest for the Aegean Macedonians after PM Gruevski’s letter, is seen as a defeat for Greece, who up to now always managed to remove this theme from the UN Agenda, defending its positions with resolutions of the Security Council dating back to 1945.

In regards to this, and Greece’s failure to convince members of the UN SE European Group to use the acronym, Athens is considering making immediate changes at the “East River” Plaza.
The current Greek Diplomat at the UN is viewed as not aggressive enough, and is likely to be replaced with a member of Nea Demokratia.

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Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (MHRMI) - Press Release

Toronto, Canada - United Nations Independent Expert on Minority Issues, Ms. Gay McDougall, was in Florina (Lerin), northern Greece today to investigate minority issues and meet with members of Rainbow (Vinozhito), representing the Macedonian minority in Greece.

The UN investigation is in response to a letter from the Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia, Mr. Nikola Gruevski, who requested that international organizations investigate the situation of ethnic Macedonian and other minorities in Greece.

“MHRMI, once again, expresses its gratitude to Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski for continuing to raise the issue of Greece’s mistreatment of its large Macedonian minority,” said MHRMI President Bill Nicholov.

Greece reacted by closing the Macedonia-Greece border earlier today. Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakojannis announced she will personally meet with the UN Expert where she is expected to express the official Greek position that it is the only country in Europe with no minorities.

MHRMI calls on all international human rights organizations to investigate, report, and monitor the treatment of Macedonian and other minorities in Greece according to international human rights law.

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Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (MHRMI) has been active on human and national rights issues for Macedonians and other oppressed peoples since 1986. For more information, please visit www.mhrmi.org, or contact MHRMI at 416-850-7125, or info@mhrmi.org.

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13.09.08 - 14:15 Greek reaction

Greece shocked by UN Visit, closes Macedonia Border

The Greek Government showed their displeasure at the UN announced visit to Greece by closing the Macedonian - Greek border earlier today.

During the past two months, several Macedonian and Foreign Officials had sent letters to the UN as well as EU Organization regarding the plight of Macedonian and other minorities in Greece.
The European Commission responded that it is not competent to review the situation of minorities.

The United Nations on the other hand, decided to dispatch an expert to verify Athens claim of 99.9% Greeks with zero minorities.

Greece showed their dismay by the UN Visit when Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis announced she will personally meet with the UN expert Gay McDougall where it is expected for Athens to exert pressure on the UN representative.

Athens blames the UN visit squarely on Macedonian Officials for their letters, even though previously had mocked them.

As a ‘punishment’ Athens shut down the border, at all three border crossings (Evzoni, Medzitlija, Dojran) since early morning today, blocking Macedonian Vacationers from going to Greece. Foreign visitors going to Greece through Macedonia were allowed to cross the border.

The official story out of Athens for the blockade is “The Greek Customs are on Strike at the Macedonia Greece Border”. People most likely to be hurt here are Greek Hoteliers who have had by all accounts a dismal Tourism Season, as for the Macedonians, they can spend their vacation and shopping money in Macedonia, as they should have done in the first place.

Why is Athens so upset at the UN visit looking into the minorities?
According to Jane’s Defense Magazine and the Human Rights Watch, Greece has 500,000 Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia, with further 250,000 to 400,000 Macedonians (economic migrants) to the south, mainly in Athens.
HRW also adds the presence of 500,000 Roma population, 1.7 million Albanians of which 1 million are not citizens. The ethnic Turks and Pomaks in Trace number 400,000, and the Vlachs add additional 300,000. Greece also has registered 1 million legal immigrants from the Middle East and Africa, with further 500,000 illegal immigrants, mainly from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan.

Why does every name in Greece sound “Greek” hence stoking up Athens claims of “purity”?
Very simply, it is illegal in Greece to name your children with names other than “Greek”.

Athens, via the Greek Orthodox Church which acts as a de facto second Government forces citizens to adopt only a “Greek” name for their children.
A foreign or ethnic sounding name isn’t allowed by the Greek Church, and any new born will not be registered by the State, this way the myth of 'Greek purity' goes on.

As an example, the grandfather of Macedonian PM who was born in Aegean Macedonia (presently Greece), had his first and last name changed by the Greek Government from Nikola Gruevski to “Nikos Grujos”.

This is done to all ethnicities, not just the Macedonian one.

The results of UN Expert Gay McDougall to her "Greece's Minorities" mission will be made available to the world in March of 2009. She will investigate Aegean Macedonia, Thrace and other regions.

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12.09.08 - 23:30 Greek discrimination against Macedonians

Greece continues its discriminations against ethnic from Northern Greece

“He was born in Kelli/Gornitsevo in 1951, he lived there for 18 whole years, then he immigrated to Canada. Last August he was informed that his Greek citizenship was revoked”.

One more case regarding removal of Greek citizenship from ethnic Macedonians became known this summer. Mr. Konstandinos Ilias from the village Kelli/Gornitsevo, Florina/Lerinsko, economic emigrant in Toronto /Canada learnt was informed some days ago that he had lost his Greek citizenship.

It all started when Mr Ilias went (in the beginning of August) in the municipality of Amindeo/Surovichevo in order to apply for a birth certificate. Full of irony and sarcasm an employee of the Municipality told him: “I cannot give you the certificate sir … your Greek citizenship is taken away’.
After such a statement, Mr. Ilias started questioning the town clerk about what happened and why he was not informed about it.
According to Mr. Ilia, the town clerk, wishing to get rid of him, literally threw an application form in his face, telling him that no matter how many requests he would do to regain his Greek citizenhip, they would all be in vain.
In addition, Mr Ilias was informed that both of his brothers, also economic immigrants to Canada, had lost their Greek citizenships.

Three adults, ethnic Macedonians, Greek citizens left Kelli/Gornitsevo – Florina/Lerinsko seeking a better life in Canada.
The only thing they did there was to continue living according to the customs of their birth place.
They were married in Greek Orthodox churches in Toronto, they baptized their children in the same churches, but they speak Macedonian, a huge “crime” they’re continuously committing.
Therefore, Greece decided to exemplarily punish them, by removing them their citizenship.
In theory, Greece is a very democratic country, a county, which in every occasion claims it fully respects human rights, including those of self determination or one’s right to use his/her mother language.

This is one more case proving that Greece doesn’t really respect these rights. This method (removing citizenship) is implemented by the “deep state” and its secret service to the Greek citizens who are “found” abroad to have expressed a different identity. Apparently, then, the secret services inform the Ministry of Interior and the final outcome is the removal of citizenship.

We expect an answer from the Greek authorities on how many ethnic Macedonians from Greece are black-listed and how many of them have lost their Greek citizenship.
EFA-Rainbow is fully aware that for many years (see Misalis, Markou and many other cases), Law 3370/95 (article 20, par. 1G) is implemented against members of the Macedonian minority in Greece.

Ultimate goal of the Greek authorities, except of course removing Greek citizenships from ethnic Macedonians, is to intimidate all Macedonians from Greece who live inside and outside the country, their families and close relatives. In other words, to and to keep them off from expressing their different, Macedonian, ethnic identity...

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11.09.08 - 22:00 UN’ control for Greece: unrecognized minorities

UN Expert to probe Greece on Minorities

UN Independent Expert on Minority Issues Gay McDougall will study the state of Roma and Muslims in Greece, and her program envisages visits to the Greek regions of Thrace and Macedonia, reports electronic edition of Greek newspaper "Ethnos".

The newspaper says that McDougall's unannounced visit to Thrace and Macedonia, especially in the area of city Florina, is probably stimulated by the recent requirements by Skopje authorities for recognition of the Macedonian minority in Greece and return of properties of refugees from Aegean Macedonia.

Before departing for the tour, McDougall met in Athens with the chief secretaries in the ministries of foreign affairs, education, labor and justice, and is to be received Thursday by FM Dora Bakoyiannis.

"It is not excluded that the U.S. expert reveals Macedonian and other minorities in Greece, which can be seen from her readiness", reads "Ethnos".

The Turkish Consulate to Greece also offered its cooperation in the tour.

According to the newspaper, McDougall plans to publish a report on the state of Roma in Greece, whose number is assessed at about 300,000, due to be presented in the UN next March.
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9.09.08 - 22:50 Greek plan ’82: to destroy Macedonians

A document from the Greek Secret Service, dating back to 1982, exemplifies the methodical steps Athens took to destroy Macedonian ethnic conscious as well as the “idiom” within its territory.

The plan had been drafted on February 16, 1982, by the Chief of the Greek Secret Service, Dimitris Kapelaris.

According to the plan, Athens had created a Secret Team nicknamed “Plot Against Macedonia” that was dispatched to Aegean Macedonia and infiltrated into all aspects of public life: (Tax office, Schools, Army, Church, etc). This is the period when a lot of Macedonians were followed, jailed, fired, beaten, for publicly stating they were Macedonians, not realizing they were being spied on at every level.

The Greek Secret Service also had plans for Florina (Lerin) residents who failed to “feel Greek”, and feared may succumb under local Macedonian influence. As a solution, the Secret Service proposed to give these people money, brainwashing literature, and creating a cultural organization named “ARISTOTELIS”. A brilliant plan, that ought to make them “Greek”! The magnitude, the sheer stupidity and lunacy of these people is remarkable.

Dimitris Kapelaris took a moment to congratulate the Secret Service for managing to ‘almost’ wipe out the Macedonian conscious and the ‘idiom’ in Kastoria (Kostur).

The Greek Secret Service despised the fact that Macedonians marry only Macedonians in Greece, and made plans how to mix marriages, so the Macedonians would loose their ethnicity.

Were they trying to create more of the Karamanlis type? Their plan backfired, to this day Macedonians in Greece marry Macedonians.

1982, the year of this letter, is also the year Athens implemented laws banning Macedonian refugees from returning to their properties - Not a coincidence.

Without further a due, below is the complete document drafted by the Geek Secret Service.

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8.09.08 - 12:50 Never yield to Greece

German Ambassador: Never yield to Greece

Former German Ambassador to Macedonia, Hans Lottar Stepan in an interview with Mia, Mina, A1, says Macedonia should not under any circumstances yield to Greece.

He also calls Macedonia a “victim of Europe’s 20th century conspiracies”.

- Your Excellency, for your book “The Macedonian knot”, you have received numerous awards. Most recently the “Krste Petkov Misirkov” award, but also award form Macedonian Academy of Sciences. How much these awards mean to you, as a satisfaction for your 15 years of research on Macedonia.

I became a spiritual warrior for Macedonia. I have received awards from the County of Kisela Voda, from MANU, and the latest from the Ramkovski Foundation. It’s an honor for me to receive any, and all of them, I am very happy.

- Arguments you have put forward in your book, “The Macedonian knot” have helped many people here and abroad to learn about Macedonia, its history.

I am convinced that if any politician wishes to understand today’s political conflict between Macedonia and Greece, must look deep into the history. This history proved what I believed, for example, Greece prior to 1913 had never had Aegean Macedonia in its possession. Not in Antic, not in Roman, not during Ottoman, not at any point of time did Greece had anything to do with Macedonia.
Only after an outrageous breach of international law in 1912-1913 during the Balkan Wars, together with Bulgaria and Serbia & Montenegro. They all occupied and took Macedonia, Thrace, and Epir.
The main basis here is, Greece has illegally stolen Macedonian territory, which is against international law.
This historical connection is independent from the right of Macedonia to self determination. Everyone on earth has the right to self determination, so does Macedonia, and no one can change this.
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27.08.08 - 19:40 "Aegean" resolution

Macedonian Parliament unanimously adopts to support Aegean refugees

The Parliament of Macedonia adopted Wednesday unanimously by acclamation a Resolution on the Refugees from Military Actions in the Republic of Greece during the Civil and Second World War.

It envisages the Government to support the legal struggle of the Aegeans with regard to returning the seized properties during Greece's Civil War and to inform the Parliament on the course of the procedure every six months.

A group of legislators from all parliamentary parties put forward the Resolution on the Refugees from Military Actions in the Republic of Greece During the Civil and Second World War.

Civil associations of refugee children and other citizens exiled following 1949 and the end of the civil war in Greece, referred to the Parliament's Standing Inquiry Committee for Protection of Civil Freedoms and Rights with a petition in 2004. In the past few years, the committee reviewed the petition exhaustively as well as the request, voiced by the associations, the Parliament to take and declare appropriate positions before the local and international public.

As a result of the unified positions, the Standing Inquiry Committee and 11 MPs from all parties filed the Resolution on the Refugees from Military Actions in the Republic of Greece During the Civil and Second World War to Parliament's President on 14 Dec. 2007.

According to historians and data obtained by international organisations for human rights protection, a bulk of the hundreds of thousands of people that fled Greece during the civil war were Macedonians, most of them children.

In an attempt to raise the issues of the Macedonians in Greece and exiled civilians after the civil war, Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski and Speaker Trajko Veljanoski sent letters to their colleagues, international representatives and organisations.

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25.08.08 - 14:15 Human Rights Watch - Greece

HRW asked for protection of Macedonians in Greece in 1994

A fact finding mission by the Human Rights Watch back in 1994 had asked the International Community to intervene and protect the Macedonian minority from decades of abuses perpetrated by the Greek Authorities.

According to the HRW, abuses ranged from: restriction of freedom of expression only for ethnic Macedonians, discrimination by the Greek Government towards employees that identify as ethnic Macedonians in the Public Sector, to harassing, threats, jail, economic and social pressure for Macedonian Rights Activists, among many things.

The importance of this document is substantial and would serve in the ’name negotiations’ as the HRW gives a historical perspective of the region thus revealing Greece’s blatant and constant disinformation campaign towards the world, and specifically towards their public.

Below is an excerpt from the HRW report:

HRW: During the years between World Wars I and II, Greece followed a policy of assimilating the Macedonian minority and Hellenizing the Macedonian region in northern Greece. The government changed place names and personal names from Macedonian to Greek, ordered religious services to be performed in Greek, and altered religious icons.

Under the Metaxas dictatorship in Greece (1936-1941), conditions of the Macedonian minority deteriorated markedly. More than 5,000 Macedonians from the Yugoslav border area were interned, the use of the Macedonian language was forbidden, and Macedonians were required to attend night school to learn Greek. Moreover, many of those who spoke Macedonian were fined or beaten.

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21.08.08 - 22:10 Greek blockade

Greece prevents Aegean Macedonians from entering Macedonia

The Greek border Authorites earlier today prevented a group of Greek citizens, ethnic Macedonians from entering Macedonia, local media reported. According to sources in the Greek Government, their citizens were not allowed to enter Macedonia because they needed to obtain "new passports".

Unofficially, the Macedonians had been treathened by Greek Authorities to not visit Prilep where they were taking part of a Football Tournament named "Roots, Juniors 2008".

The ethnic Macedonians showed up on the border wearing the traditional Macedonian red colors. Greece hasn't established a particular friendship with the red color ever since painting the British East India flag Blue.

"Obviously someone was bothered that they were Macedonians. They think if they stop them from coming to Macedonia, the Macedonians there will somehow forget about Macedonia", said Zoran Petrov, Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Similar incident ocurred on the Bulgarian - Turkish border. Once the Bulgarian Authorities saw the large group were Macedonians from Turkey, they refused to issue them a transit visa, citing 'byrocratic problems'.

"We don't know the reasons why they were not issued transit visas, they waited for one until the last moment" said Boris Temoski, president of "We are Here".

"We will look for an explanation why they were not allowed to enter, from Greece and Bulgaria. It is common practice for Greece or Bulgaria to come up with an excuse that "the passports need to be brand new" or "they applied too late", we have heard this more thousands of times. We are sick and tired of this." said Zoran Petrov.

Several hundred Macedonian junior football players gathered in Prilep, Macedonia, hailing from Serbia, Slovenia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Croatia, Bulgaria.

All of the youths as well as Tournament Management weren't surprised that Macedonians from Greece didn't make it.

These incidents just confirm the inhumane treatment Macedonians get in Greece and Bulgaria.

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18.08.08 - 20:25 Greek paranoia

Greece refused to share the stage with Macedonia during the closing of the folklore festival in Burgas, Bulgaria and made a scandalous exit.

Greek participants said they are departing because they can not stay on the same stage with the ensemble from Macedonia.

This not the first time Greek representatives to protest, due to the name dispute, at events in which representatives from Macedonia participate. One can hope Greece's exits from all events where Macedonia participates become a tradition.

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15.08.08 - 00:30 French Presidential Cabinet against Greek policy

The response from French Presidential Cabinet, to letter from Macedonia -- they don't seem to have an issue with Republique de Macedoine.



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12.08.08 - 17:05 Letter for Nimetz:to include MOC recognition in name talks agenda

Gruevski urges Nimetz to include MOC recognition in name talks agenda

Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski has sent a letter to mediator Matthew Nimetz, urging him to include the recognition of the Macedonian Orthodox Church (MOC) by the Greek side within countries' name dispute talks.

Dnevnik daily in its Tuesday edition, citing diplomatic sources, says Gruevski suggested to the mediator the Macedonian church recognition issue to be a part of the package of solutions to the dispute.

- I ask you, if it is possible, to include this issue into Your attempts on resolving the dispute of our constitutional name, which recently has been enlarged with several other open issues. And if Your attempts end in success, taking into consideration that in addition to the name You are striving to resolve several other open issues between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece, this issue to be incorporated into the agenda of our priorities, Gruevski writes to Nimetz.

In the letter, he also presents a lengthy elaboration and background of MOC's church dispute with some of the orthodox churches, mainly the Serbian and Greek ones, while highlighting their closeness and solidarity.

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10.08.08 - 22:45 Invest in .... памет (2)

Интересот за темава може да го покoлеба човек да го заврши плaнираното, но можеби токму заради тоа и треба да се доврши како доказ дека и токму таквиот интерес ( и (не)делување ) е причина за состојбата во која сме како земја.
Елем, како мало потстување. Сите досегашни владеачки гарнитури се потепаа од фалење колку големи инвестиции ( разбира се, странски) ќе донесат.
Колку се донeсени, знаеме...
И во последново предизборие, како изборна мамка (особено од власта) се користеше истата финта – странски инвестиции, нови вработувања итн.
Дури, Груевски и компанија во тек на кампањата, отидоа во Франција во важна мисија за донесување странска ивестиција ,а, она за да потпишат некое писмо за намера за инвестирање со фирмата (мислам)“Монтале“- фалејќи се дека со оваа инвестија ( иако се ова е уште само како намера, ама изгледа доволно за изборно фалење- ветување ) ќе се обезбедат 500 нови вработувања ....во неколку години натаму.....
Што би рекол народецов,“не липсај магаре до зелена трева..“.

Е,ако тоа е се’ што политичарите можат да понудат на народот, што може народот да си понуди самиот на себе, па да мрдне малку напред !??


“Кај нас, поради разни партиски и владини субјективизми, никако да се почне и да им се даде вистинска шанса на непартиските и невладини граѓани за да дојдат до правилно валоризирање и вреднување на своите иновации, проекти и идеи. Скоро беше, кога неколку интелектуалци со високо образование и со ретки иновации, пазарно актуелни, дојдоа во Здружението и ни се обратија за разбирање и помош, како своите милионски вредни иновации од меѓународно значење да почнат да ги реализираат во стопанската дејност си што истовремено би вработиле околу 600 нови луѓе за почеток“.

Дали ви е ова јасно: готови проекти за нови 600 вработувања – пазите: не 500 за намерувана инвестиција (што вероватно нема да се оствари) и тоа за неколку години – туку 600 вработувања - сега, тука, веднаш.
И , ништо.


Затоа што “во Македонија, пред се', не постои ефикасен пазарен механизам за валозирање на иновациите и за заработување од нив (патенти, дизајн и слично). Непријатна е констатацијата дека завршените високи школи на иноваторите, нивното работно искуство, и умеење што го стекнале „не вреди ништо“ и оти бидејќи никој нема кој да ги вреднува нивните дела, тие може да заминат од земјава.“

Дали вреди да се објаснува понатаму со ваков интерес каков се покажува за ова!?
Отсекогаш трудот и творештвото - како индивуални активности- не се сметале како патриотски категории- урлањето, удирањето во гради.,јазичарењето, самофалењето(не само на политичарите) без дела (по)лесно поминува како “патриотизам“.
И да не должам, да не си губам времето, за некој кој е заинтересиран за ова да укажам дека цитате се дел од писмо објавено во “Дневник“, па може да се прочита цело.

9.08.08 - 14:00 Invest in ........кампањи (1)

На почетокот, кампањата беше владин хит и заради веќе пословичната “транспaрентност“ на владата не дознавме колку од нашите пари отишле (каде?) за кампањата.
Се велеше дека само со 1% од инвестициите што ќе дојдат веднаш по камапањата ќе ги покријат трошоците за кампањата.
И ?
И, ...... ништо !
Изгледа светот не не’ разбира. Ќе да е тоа дело на опозицијата која непозитивно гледала ( а, можда и фрлила некоја магија ?) на камапањата!?

А, неодамна, претставници на обединетата македонска дијаспора, среде Скопје се изјаснија :

Иселениците би инвестирале само во средена Македонија

Нивни изјави се :

“Македонија итно да ги подобри административните процедури и да ги забрза судските процедури ако сака да ги привлече инвестициите од македонската дијаспора во САД“.......

“Голем дел иселеници во Австралија чекаат да се подобри бизнис-климата за да отворат компании во Македонија, но за тоа е потребна намалена корупција“....

Е, сега, нашиве од странство ако не и веруваат на кампањата и не сакаат да вложат некој долар, а не’ знаат добро што сорта сме, како да се очекува ( а, за тоа дебело сме платиле) од други кои не не’ знаат добро, да ни веруваат на некоја (нека биде и убава реклама) и туку така да ги вложат своите пари кај нас!?
Ма, ајде !..

И за на крај, нешто како показател на ефектот од оваа кампања, според студијата на реномираната консултантска компанија “Делојт“, Македонија е на последното место по интересот на инвеститорите во Европа

За инвестирање во Македонија, Молдавија и Црна Гора интерес пројавиле 10 отсто од инвеститорите во источна Европа, додека за овие земји интерес воопшто немаат инвеститорите од западна Европа.

Е, па сега види .....
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8.08.08 - 17:10 .......Macedonian National Identity - 1918-1941

The British Foreign Office
and Macedonian National Identity - 1918-1941

by Andrew Rossos

The study of the Macedonian identity has given rise to far greater controversies and debates than that of most, if not all, other nationilisms in eastern Europe. This has been only in part due to the hazy past of the Slavic speaking population of Macedonia and to the lack of a continuous and separate state tradition, a trait they had in common with other "small" and "young," or so-called "non-historic," peoples in the area. Controversy has been due above all to the fact that, although it began in the second quarter of the nineteenth century, Macedonian nationalism did not enjoy international acceptance or legitimacy until the Second World War, much later than was the case with other similar national movements in eastern Europe.[1] Recent research has shown that Macedonian nationalism developed, generally speaking, similarly to that of neighboring Balkan peoples, and, in most respects, of other "small" and "young" peoples of eastern, as well as some of western, Europe.

But Macedonian nationalism was belated, grew slowly and, at times, manifested confusing tendencies and orientations that were, for the most part, consequences of its protracted illegitimate status.[2]

For a half century Macedonian nationalism existed illegally. It was recognized neither by the theocratic Ottoman state nor by the two established Orthodox churches in the empire: the Patriarchist (Greek) and, after its establishment in 1870, the Exarchist (Bulgarian). Moreover neighboring Balkan nationalists-Bulgarian, Greek, Serbian-who had already achieved independence with the aid of one or more of the Great Powers, chose to deny the existence of a separate Macedonian identity; indeed they claimed Macedonia and the Macedonians as their own. They fought for Macedonia with propaganda and force, against each other and the nascent Macedonian nationalists. A prolonged struggle culminated in 1913 with the forceful partition of Macedonia after the Second Balkan or Inter-Allied War between Bulgaria, on one side, and allied Greece and Serbia, on the other.[3] Each of these three states consolidated their control over their respective parts of Macedonia, and throughout the inter-war years inaugurated and implemented policies intended to destroy any manifestations of Macedonian nationalism, patriotism or particularism- Consequently, until World War II, unlike the other nationalisms in the Balkans or in eastern Europe more generally, Macedonian nationalism developed with-out the aid of legal political, church, educational or cultural institutions. Macedonian movements not only lacked any legal infrastructure, they also were without the international sympathy, cultural aid and, most importantly, benefits of open and direct diplomatic and military support accorded other Balkan nationalisms.[4] Indeed, for an entire century Macedonian nationalism, illegal at home and illegitimate internationally, waged a precarious struggle for survival against overwhelming odds: in appearance against the Turks and the Ottoman Empire before 1913 but in actual fact, both before and after that date, against the three expansionist Balkan states and their respective patrons among the Great Powers.[5]

The denial of a Macedonian identity by the neighboring Balkan states, and their irreconcilably contradictory claims, motives, justifications and rationalizations, are mirrored by the largely polemical and tendentious Bulgarian, Greek and Serbian literature on the Macedonian question.[6]

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7.08.08 - 16:50 Comment by AUSTRALIAN MACEDONIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE

Letter by the President of the European Commission – Jose Manuel Barroso

2 August 2008

The Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia, Mr Nikola Gruevski, recently sent a letter to the European Commission’s president, Mr José Manuel Barroso regarding the human rights problems confronting the Macedonian minority in Greece. In the letter the Prime Minister states:

The Government of the Republic of Macedonia appeals, within your competences, to personally engage for Greece’s strict obeying of the obligations stemming from international instruments regarding human rights, with special emphasis on free expression of ethnic identity and all rights stemming from that. Our expectation is Greece, as a member of the EU and NATO, to start dialogue which will lead to meeting the recommendations of the European Commission.

In response the President of the European Commission, Mr Barroso replied with the following:

…it is important to clarify that the European Union has no general competence to deal with issues such as identities of minorities, their rights, acquisition of citizenship and restitution of properties, arising in its Member States. This is the primary responsibility of the Member States in the light of their constitutional traditions and international obligations.

This is an unfortunate and insensitive response by the President of the European Commission on an issue as fundamental as the protection of human rights within a Member State of the European Union (EU). It seems strange that the representative of the EU would use such indifferent language in addressing the concerns over human rights abuses of ethnic Macedonians in Greece. This is especially the case given that the EU likes to wrap itself around different humanist ideals and announce triumphantly their commitment to human rights. Indeed, the EU is increasingly establishing fundamental rights as part of EU law as a means of legitimizing the EU itself. Clearly there appears to be a gap between EU rhetoric and reality; at the same time that the EU affirms the importance of human rights, it actually does nothing to secure any of them.

What President Barroso could have asserted was that the EU has an unwavering respect for the protection of human rights and has a particular interest to ensure that its Member States, namely Greece, is aware of their obligations. For example, the founding treaties of the EU make references to the “fact” that the EU is “founded on the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law” and that it “shall respect fundamental rights, as guaranteed by the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms”. In fact, accession to the Convention is something that has been made a condition for EU membership.

President Barroso could have mentioned that the Charter of Fundamental Rights that was “solemnly proclaimed” by the European Parliament, the Council of the EU and the European Commission deems it “necessary to strengthen the protection of fundamental rights”.

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5.08.08 - 20:35 11 questions

A lot of statements after the letter from the primer minister od Republic of Macedonia to his greek colleague Kostas Karaamanlis , as :

“….repeats the previously known unacceptable statements regarding non-existent minorities etc...”

”…..speaks about an alleged minority, attacking Greece because it allegedly violates the rights of existent or non-existent minorities…He follows concerted destabilizing orders...”

“We are dealing with statements which are unacceptable in form and content, as well as with an unfortunate attempt of raising non-existent and unfounded issues” ……..,

came from top Greek officials and politicians in less than a week’s time, only because highly-ranked Macedonian officials “dared” to officially raise the taboo issues of the ethnic Macedonian minority in Greece. And, unfortunately, anyone addressing this issue, along with the repatriation of the Macedonian political refugees who were forcibly expelled from their birth places during the Greek civil war (1946-49), is “provocative”, “disgraceful”, “slanderer” or “follows orders from unknown patrons”.

Since, then, ethnic Macedonians inside and outside Greece are “non-existent”, we kindly ask all Greek politicians and mainstream media (which bristle with hatred towards Macedonians) to answer the following:

• For whom did the Greek state print in 1925 the Primer of the Macedonian Language “ABECEDAR”? Even before the printing of this book, in a official but secret census the Macedonian language was clearly mentioned. The “non-existent” Macedonian minority spoke a “non-existent” language?
• Who are these that were mentioned in all official national censuses of the Greek state up until 1951 as “macedophones”, “slavophone Macedonians”, of “Slavic”, “non-Greek” or “unstable” national consciousness, of “declared Slavic beliefs”? What happened to them, after 1951?
• Is it possible that they “no longer exist” as former Minister Pangalos stated some years ago?
• If they don’t exist, exactly how did they “disappear”?
• If they still exist, why then Greece keeps calling them “non-existent” every time someone brings up this subject?
• Why was the population of whole villages back in the 60s forced to collective oaths, in order to stop using the “cursed Slavic idiom”?
• Under what excuse did the Greek state allow in 1982 the repatriation only of the political refugees who were “Greek by genus”? This indirectly but clearly means that the thousands of political refugees who had lost their citizenship and cannot return to their birth places are defined as “non-Greek by genus”. The relatives of these people who remained within the Greek borders do not constitute an ethnic minority then?
• Why Greece, with its official and unofficial structures, has created a whole mechanism to impede even a short-term visit to Greece from these political refugees who have clearly stated a non-Greek national conscience? Because of whom was the notorious “unwanted list” in Greek border crossings created , why is it still valid and enhanced today, including not only political refugees but also financial immigrants of Macedonian origin?
• If what Greece claims to be true, that Macedonians are Greeks only, is indeed true, then why does the country prohibit for 18 years now the registration of the cultural association “Home of Macedonian Culture”, pretentiously ignoring relevant rulings in favour of the registration from the European Court for Human Rights?
• Why Greece is reluctant to conduct an official census of all ethnic and linguistic minorities, in order to have an undisputable proof of the existence or non-existence of the Macedonian minority?
• And last but not least, maybe the most important question of all. How is it possible that Greece, a country that constantly fancies itself to be the “cradle of civilization and democracy” is de facto denying at the same time elementary, fundamental human rights to its citizens, like the right to self determination and all that derives from it in educational and cultural fields? Why Greece is not ratifying any of the relevant international conventions it readily signed in the first place??
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27.07.08 - 19:40 SEEMO Protest Greece

H.E. Kostas Karamanlis

Prime Minister of the Hellenic Republic

Athens

Greece

Fax: +30 210 9098253

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H.E. Prokopis Pavlopoulos

Minister for the Interior and Public Order

Athens

Greece

Fax: +30 210 6929764

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Vienna, 22 July 2008

Your Excellencies,

The Vienna-based South East Europe Media Organisation (SEEMO), a network of editors, media executives and leading journalists from South East Europe and an affiliate of the International Press Institute (IPI), wishes to express its concern after the Greek authorities denied a group of journalists from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (Republic of Macedonia) entry into the country.

According to information before SEEMO, on 19 July, journalists from TV A1, TV A2, Forum and Makedonsko sonce were on their way to report on a cultural event in northern Greece, and were bearing standard passports with regular Greek visas. However, at the border the journalists were denied entry with the explanation that they did not have the permission of the Greek government to report on the event. One journalist from Forum was denied entry although he had a journalist’s visa. An offer to enter Greece as non-journalists, without their cameras and other technical equipment, was declined by the journalists. They were also told they could enter the country as journalists after the cultural event was over.

SEEMO condemns this move by the Greek authorities. Greece is a member of the European Union, and expected to uphold the right to press freedom, one of the pillars of democracy. Decisions like this prevent the ability of journalists to work freely and hinder the free flow of information. We urge Your Excellencies to do everything in your power to ensure that cases like this do not happen in the future.

Yours Sincerely,

Oliver Vujovic

SEEMO Secretary General

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27.07.08 - 13:00 POLITICAL TRADING

Athens urges Sofia, Belgrade to change their positions on Macedonia’s constitutional name

According to A1 TV, authorities in Athens have been urging Bulgaria and Serbia for a few weeks to change their positions on Macedonia’s constitutional name.
“Encouraged by Sofia’s most recent positions presented publicly on Macedonia’s history, which according to some politicians there has Bulgarian roots, Athens proposes unreserved support for Bulgaria in Brussels where European funds have already been suspended for Bulgaria,” comments the television.
In exchange for the change in the stance, Athens suggests to Serbia support for its Euro-Atlantic integration, as well as lobbying for Kosovo, which is one of the reasons for Greece not to recognize Kosovo’s independence up to now. For now Athens has a positive answer neither from Sofia, nor from Belgrade. Unlike Serbia, which still awaits the decision of the new government in Skopje about Kosovo recognition, the Bulgarian government has replied that it has no dilemmas as to Macedonia’s constitutional name.
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22.07.08 - 20:15 1947 UN Commision: Macedonian Minority in Greece

1947 UN Commision Established the Existence
of the Macedonian Minority in Greece

The modern Greek folly has always been its persistent but reckless denial of the existence of a Macedonian nationality. The hysteric intolerance against ethnic Macedonians has distorted the Greek collective consciousness so much that Greeks are no longer capable of differentiating between their wish that Macedonians were truly nonexistent and the actual Macedonian reality, which so defiantly confronts them.

As their Macedonian phobia continues to feed their schizophrenic psyches, rather than dealing with the Macedonian reality like rational people, they instead cry out for sympathy and comfort while hoping to be freed from their Macedonian nightmare, just like a small child who has awakened from a bad dream and cries out to his parents for comfort.

Such was the case in 1947 when the Greek government protested to the United Nations' Security Council regarding border violations by its northern neighbors. Greece demanded that Yugoslavia cease and desist overt military and logistical aid to the guerrillas fighting in the Greek Civil War, many of whom were ethnic Macedonians.

On December 19 1946, a Commission of Investigating was established by the United Nations pursuant to the resolution of the Security Council to examine alleged Greek frontier incidents. To the surprise and dismay of the Greek government, the Commission of Inquiry broadened its scope of investigation to include the treatment of minorities, tendentious misstatements of facts in press and radio, activities of foreign military and police missions in the four countries concerned and arraignments of free port or free zone facilities in Salonika.

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21.07.08 - 22:45 Recognition of Macedonian Minority

University professor criticizes Athens

on Macedonian issue

Greece should recognize the existence of Macedonian minority, compensate the confiscated property to the expelled citizens and accept double formula for the name in the talks with Macedonia.

This was suggested by the professor of international relations at the Panteion University in Athens, Alexis Heraclides.

According to the Greek university professor, it is a fact that the property of Macedonian population in the period 1949-1950 was confiscated, even without court orders.

Greece allowed a big mistake to be made with the seized property of "SlavoMacedonians" and if this issue is brought before the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, it will have to pay damages, professor Heraclides assesses.

According to him, Greece should "stop shoving its head in sand" and claim that "SlavoMacedonians" don't exist, because their number is around 30-40 thousand.

Some of them, according to Heraclides, have Macedonian "ethnic" self-determination, while others have integrated fully into the Greek ethnos, because of which "there is no danger for the Greece's territorial integrity".

The professor suggests Greek authorities to have new, realistic position in the negotiations with Macedonia on the name differences.

According to him, the issue should be solved by Greece's acceptance of compound name (such as New Macedonia, Upper Macedonia or North Macedonia), which would be used by Skopje for bilateral communication with Athens only, but not for international use.
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20.07.08 - 23:35 Macedonian Celebration

Ovcarani, a typical Macedonian Celebration

The celebrations of the religious and national holiday St Ilija (Ilinden) is under way in Lerin, Ovcarani without incidents and in accordance to scheduled program.

Around 6,000 Macedonians are in Ovcarani, in what according to Vinozito is a 'traditional Macedonian celebration', with dancing and folk songs. There is also a scheduled appearance of Macedonian Folk/Dance group "Tanec".

The largest Greek Media outlets have thrown a black ink on the celebration saying "extremists from Skopje, purposely provoke Greece" even though the celebrations take place every year, says Vinozito.

According to the Macedonian Party in Greece, the largest and most popular Greek Daily "Ta Nea" in its reports said that Macedonian president Branko Crvenkovski will make a 'provocative speech' in Ovcarani (Meliti).

Vinozito believes the goal of the Greek Media, under direction from the Greek Government is to make everything possible in scaring off the Macedonian population as to reduce their number in the celebrations. That way the representatives of the Government could confirm their statements there were no Macedonians in Greece.

Vinozito's members are asking how can a "European" country, such as Greece, allow the parade and provocations of right wing organization like "Hrisi Avgi" who constantly moved around and intimidated Macedonians by yelling threatening vulgar statements thus trying to change people's mind not to attend the celebration.

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20.07.08 - 20:45 WHAT’S THE MATTER, DOESN’T MATTER

US State Department: It's a matter between Macedonia and Greece

U.S. State Department Spokesman Sean McCormack said late Thursday the issue of the refugees and Macedonian minority in Greece is a matter between Macedonia and Greece, reports Voice of America-Program in Macedonian language. Thus, McCormack provided a response to the initiative of Macedonian PM Nikola Gruevski on resolution of the requests by refugees-ethnic Macedonians from the Greek Civil War in 1940s, and recognition of the Macedonian minority in Greece, contained in the letter sent to Greek counterpart Costas Karamanlis. "This is a matter between Macedonia and Greece. I understand the correspondence was between those two parties, so I'd refer you to either party for comment about it", said McCormack at the daily briefing. According to him, this is a completely different topic from the name issue. "From our point of view, we would like to see Macedonia and Greece work out the name issue, which is a completely different topic. I know a lot of people are devoting a lot of time and energy to that topic. We certainly would like to see those negotiations come to a successful completion soon", added McCormack. McCormack denied that USA would intervene regarding the issue of refugees and recognition of the Macedonian minority, reiterating this is a matter between the two countries, not involving the United States.
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19.07.08 - 19:45 BLOCKADE FOR JOURNALISTS

Macedonian Journalists blocked from visiting Greece

Greek border authorities blocked the entrance of Macedonain Journalists from A1, Vreme, Forum, Makedonsko Sonce and Dnevnik.

The TV crews wished to film the gathering and the begining of the Macedonian celebrations in Lerin and Ovcarani, which are scheduled to start today, traditionally two weeks before Ilinden, with Ilinden being a day for picnic.

Greece had put more than a hundred policemen at the border, as well as near Ovcarani. Greek border authorities told the Macedonian journalists, the reason for their blocking is they didn't have a 'proper accreditation' to visit. The journalists were told they could visit Greece, i.e. their accreditation would work after the celebrations in Lerin and Ovcarani are done.

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